Hello, I have an Art History class and we have the freedom to create a short presentation on an art movement of out choice. Erotic Grotesque came to mind after some pondering, and I discussed it with my teacher. She told me to go for it.
So what am I asking for in this thread? I'd like to introduce the population of my class with a great sum of what Guro is. What are some prominent artists that any of you would recommend that I introduce? Are there any good books out there that I could order for non-internet source material? I know H.R. Giger has been said to have been influenced, so I'll include him in there somewhere. I would like to have a bigger list of artists than the ones I already have;
Simon Benson and The Veterinarian
Shintaro Kago (An Inquiry Concerning A Mechanistic Worldview of the Pituitary Gland)
Kizimecca
James Jean
Hiroaki Samura
I only need to have a general outline by next week, but I'd like to get a good start on it now. I need to narrow it down enough to get a fairly specific point across. What comes to mind at the moment is merge the presentation with some nihilism discussion, such as how in the 20s-30s guro was a movement that went against the general morality of the setting it developed in.
Any and all helpful ideas would be appreciated.
(I hope to shock the fuck out of the class.) :)
Goya's another good one to mention.
Don't do it. If you want an A go for a topic that's an easy A...
If you want an F go for a topic that actually requires thought and for you to offend people..
Even if your teacher said "Go for it", she's not going to be happy if she sees a perverted mind in it's bluntness..
And your going to end up with either an F, jailtime, or having to pull your own punches to make a half assed progect. (or any combination of those 3 in various levels)
The American education system is -not- about being smart, or an individual..
Quite the other.. It's about putting up with BS and proving that you can fit in...
You really shouldn't do anything to 'break the mold' in a system that's made to prove how well you can fit into it...
Actually after saying all that I'll actually help and bring up a couple names from western culture:
Benson
is an icon figure your missing..
Along with a lot of 'Fansadox' artists that are 99% responcible for un westerners even being aware that it's a genre..
(Robert and Ferres pop into mind)
Oh duh, and I'm an idiot, how can you even really make a report on the topic without bringing up:
Doclett
Seriously
How about our Friendly Neighborhood Drawfag, Zenith?
But yeah, it's gonna be hard.
You gotta prove that it's a movement, not just a genre.
Making a presentation of guro is probably one of the stupidest things I've heard people do in class. It's worse than making a review of an anime or a manga.
Why would you make a presentation of porn genre in the first place? For kicks? Shock value? You might end up alienating yourself.
>You might end up alienating yourself.
More like "nobody will come within ten meters of you ever again".
On one hand you have the negatives= People won't go near you, teacher will be horrified, you'll get an F, etc.
But should do it, think of the positives. This actually sounds like a good project, people haven't thought of it yet and will be doing all the easy A subjects, so your presentation could easily get an A if you make it stand out, and if you censor it right.
I'm wondering, what about sexual guro? Not like the stuff we have here, but more like what Clive Barker writes about or Dracula. If you read any lit crit you'll find tons of stuff on horror and sexuality, especially among the various vampire myths (AND NO TWILIGHT ;)).
And try and censor a bit. No (as one thread is about) "unborn fetus bukkue".
Their isn't much Western guro that I'm aware of (other than the already-mentioned regular horror), so you'll probably have to cite a lot of Asian (particularly Japanese) sources. Though their is one Artist that I can hardly remember. He used to draw the popes "being torn in half by their own screams". Time just did an article about him. I can't remember the name but it is art material, he was a good artist, and at least one person should be able to remember him.
Annnndddd done. Longest post I've ever written. Guess I really am a gorefag.
Do it. I was doing a computer applications project on various countercultures and I had a slide on Ero-Guro (with no pics- that could make a difference) and still got an A.
Dolcett, Uziga, NDofline, Ilpallio has a bunch of lists.
In my high school arts class (going back a long time), I just basically played to the teacher. He was a real arts fag, including camp dress.
So after basically staring at the page on our first project, I picked up some paints, threw them at the paint, declared something akin to "this monstrosity is not worthy of my time!", and stormed out dramatically.
I got an A+, the picture went into the exhibit (it was a blob, for fuck's sake), and nothing I did from there on in was anything but "the work of genius" in the eyes of my teacher. Blank page covered in random newspaper cuttings? Random scribbles while screeching at the back of the class? Letting paint randomly dribble onto the canvas?
I didn't mind acting up; no-one in my arts class was in any other class in school. But the point is - don't discredit the teacher's input to your grades. If they can be warmed to the idea of using guro to 'express the savagery of the human animal'...
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Benji your teacher is a real loser. I do have a question though. I know sometimes hipsters or art fags often act like you did for attention. This seems to happen a lot more in college (I grew up in the Mid-West, where people are lame, but still all nice, and I now go to college in Chicago).
tl;dr, Do artfags act up a lot in your class for attention?
Dunno. This was over 100 years ago. I've since been military trained, serviced, married, moved, and established.
But yes, he was. And they probably did - as for me, I did it for the lulz, as well as to get a grade up. Which I did - I passed art that year with the second-highest score on my report; and I did jack all add none.
OP here
I talked to our teacher about the idea a bit more thoroughly today. She's completely cool with it and said it doesn't have to be a movement necessarily, but if it is art with a general theme, then that is fine enough.
Oh, and she had plenty of "fucked up" stuff at the beginning of class today. She actually showed a picture I originally saw on here, but never knew where it was from; the one with a group of conjoined little girls with penises for noses. That and some other /f/ sort of material.
But yeah, thanks for the names.
Heh. Maybe she's in here now. Maybe she's aware that you're discussing it in here, with us. Right now. o_o
This thread confuses me, phrases like:
>I'm wondering, what about sexual guro? Not like the stuff we have here, but more like what Clive Barker writes about
What's this about? Guro is EROTIC GROSTESQUE NONSENSE. You cannot divorce sexuality from guro, although it needn't be outright pornographic as we celebrate here. Also, people seem to be treating Western art and artists as 'guro' which seems a little stupid, as if you're studying a movement, you have to realise that those artists evolved independent of the erotic grotesque movement, which was a powerfully Japanese thing, and had very little to do with the West. If you want to bring modern horror and the like into it, by all means mention New French Extremity and the like, but don't make yourself the bigger idiot by calling Goya an erotic grotesque artist.
Trying to heap too many terms together. Erotic grotesque, Giger, guro...
Why not make the connection between sex, its depictions, and (erotic) violence. Enter the crucifixions, Sebastians, all marching into the 20th century with its many forms of expressions. You'd have to distinguish between art for the elite (accepted) and art for the common people (porn).This is certainly not limited to either Western or Japanses artforms. And they aren't all heterosexual.
The question is: is your audience ready for this?
The audience is, from his discussions with his teacher. That is his audience; and in personal commissions (ie; client / artist, contractor / company, teacher / student, etc), that is all you need to confirm that you have the right task.
>Trying to heap too many terms together. Erotic grotesque, Giger, guro...
Wat? Guro is Erotic Grostesque, both are foreshortenings of Erotic Grostesque Nonsense. The mutated misapplication many use on this board aside, it's fairly easy to identify it and no reason to bring the West or Giger into it.
>>22
SO. MANY. TERMS!
I don't know any of them outside of guro. I feel like such a poser :(
>>23
No kid, you're a n00b, and that's a big difference. You are given the ability to evolve into a hardcore gurofag.
"Newb", not "Noob", fgt. One is implication of deliberate ignorance, usually from stubbornness. l2classify.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ero_guro
Although it's wikipedia, this should be enough to explain where the terms come from, and give you some direction to research in even. Just don't dare mention visual kei artists in relation to ero guro, because that makes you a faggot.
