What do all of you have to say about this?
I'd say FUCK THE UN!!!
The UN sucks doo-doo! I don't care what those thugs say!
Here in America, I think we're still okay. Freedom of speech, and all that.
I believe only persons under the age of 18 can be charged for having hentai in their possession...since it's actually considered pornography now.
Even loli is only illegal when being tacked on to real child porn charges, it seems. Which I guess is okay, because anything they can use to put away a real-life pedo is fine in my book.
I did hear that some women's rights group was trying to ban "extreme" hentai AND porn...but last I heard, they were getting flamed so hard they backed down.
So I doubt this'll fly. The world's so fucked up at the moment, I don't think anyone will pay much attention. This has been tried before, and to no avail. We're talking about imaginary cartoons. And just because I enjoy rape in my hentai doesn't mean I condone it in real life.
>Even loli is only illegal when being tacked on to real child porn charges, it seems. Which I guess is okay,
Sorry, doesn't work that way. If that's really their intent, they can put that restriction into the law itself. Just because they're using it in a way you agree with right now doesn't mean they always will. If it's possible for the usage of a law to be abusively expanded, it probably will be eventually.
>because anything they can use to put away a real-life pedo is fine in my book.
I'm also going to have to disagree here. Child porn laws are ridiculous enough as is, they don't need to be made worse. In some places it's quite possible to get more time for having a few images of naked kids than going out and raping and murdering one with your own hands, and such absurd sentences have even been handed down a few times, so it's not just a matter of theory. And they've even been used against the very kids they're supposed to protect.
If anything, child porn laws, along with a lot of related stuff (sex offender registration, AOC laws, etc.), need to be significantly relaxed. Sadly that is not going to happen anytime soon, because society isn't over its little moral panic over pedophilia that got us into this whole mess.
>I did hear that some women's rights group was trying to ban "extreme" hentai AND porn...but last I heard, they were getting flamed so hard they backed down.
In America perhaps, but in Soviet UK:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extreme_pornography
Well, I don't think it'd cover animu porn (due to it not being sufficiently realistic), but it's still pretty terrible.
>>5
I'm sorry, but I don't agree with your view that "child porn laws are ridiculous". Pedophilia is disgusting. Whether it's just pictures, or actual child rape.
I see anime as a separate issue. But real children? That's just wrong. And with the internet, it's become far too easy for real-life pedos to get away.
Anyway, I'm not going to argue with you. I stated my opinion, and I'm standing by it. There is no excuse for sex offenders, pedophile or not. But I don't agree that "extreme" hentai contributes to it. There have been sexual deviants for as long as humankind has existed; people just talk about them more in today's world.
>>6
You make a lot of fine points, but they are in response to something I never said. I never said "child porn laws are ridiculous", I said "child porn laws are ridiculous as is". If you hate pedophilia then even more so you should find something very wrong with people getting less time for actually raping children then for having a few images.
Pictures support the act of raping children.
Keep that filth away. 3D or drawn are perfectly okay.
>>7
I misunderstood you, then, and I apologize.
All I mean is that I don't think someone having nude pictures of children should be shrugged off, either. No, they haven't actually raped a child, but they probably will. Of course actually acting on fantasies is worse; I'm not disagreeing with that. But people who think about doing those things can't be cured. And maybe doing a lot of time for a few pictures will keep potential victims safe.
Pedophilia is just one of those things that truly disturbs me, I guess. Along with incest and bestiality. It makes my skin crawl. So if an actual child molester gets busted for loli hentai, I'm okay with that. Because anime girls can't get hurt, but real children can.
>>9
I agree that it shouldn't be shrugged off, I'm just saying the way it's handled right now isn't the right way to handle it.
The current heavy-handed method of handling people who sexually abuse children simply is not effective. The laws don't make sense, handing out lengthier sentences for crimes that don't directly cause any harm than for ones that directly cause significant harm. They're overly broad and unfair, lumping people who piss in a bush or fuck their 17-year-old girlfriend when they're 18 (note: not vice versa, of course) in the same category as incurable violent sadistic child rapists. They're ridiculous and contradict even their own intent at times, with numerous examples of cases where teenagers have been hit with child porn charges for sending naked pictures of themselves or being sent them by other teenagers. There are also well-publicized cases of parents having their lives seriously fucked up as a result of child porn investigations on them for merely taking a picture of their child in the bath or such.
It doesn't help that the public's perception of pedophiles is seriously misinformed and just plain wrong. If you asked the average person what a pedophile is like, they'd probably describe them like some inhuman rape monster that lurks the streets snatching up innocent unsuspecting children to rape and murder. However most children who are abused are abused by relatives and other people close to them and their family. The idea of strangers being the biggest threat, or even a particularly serious one, is quite incorrect.
Popular media like To Catch a Predator doesn't help either, reinforcing misconceptions such as that, that the Internet is a a foul den of rape from which no child escapes safe, lumping ephebophilia in with pedophilia, and so on. And because of the general irrationality and misinformation about this, society is rapidly getting to the point where any man can't be alone with a child, especially a girl, without worry of being thought to be trying to abduct and rape them. There are plenty of stories out there of guys who have seen children crying or distressed and considered helping, but ultimately decided not to out of fear of people suspecting them of attempting something nefarious. There are also plenty of stories of guys who did try to help and got exactly what the other guys expected they would. This sort of thing is not good for anyone.
As for how to properly handle pedophiles and child molesters, there really needs to be a lot more studies on this sort of stuff, proper ones. There are plenty of studies already, but quite frankly they all suck. They almost universally use people who were convicted, which are probably about as representative of the overall pedophile population as rapists are of the overall heterosexual population. They're also generally correlational studies. While a strong correlation is good evidence of some sort of causation, it's not evidence of any particular causation. Sure, it could be A causes B. Or it could be B causes A. Or C causes A and B. People just choose whichever supports their views (in either direction) without any logical basis for that choice. And scientists have to be careful with what conclusions they come to too. If their study has results that suggest in any way that a lifetime of prison rape isn't the best way to handle pedophiles, the public will fucking eviscerate them, and perhaps not just metaphorically.
And then when you've gotten past the problem of who to deal with and when to deal with them, there's the problem of exactly what to do with them. Your assertion that they're all incurable isn't quite true. Though it's certainly not easy, there has been some progress on treatment for this sort of thing, and work on that shouldn't just be dropped. Because if they're "incurable" you have the problem of what to do with someone who compulsively harms others and whose behavior cannot be changed. You could just execute them, perhaps, but this, of course, tends to go over rather poorly and isn't even a choice in much of the world. Obviously letting them out after some time isn't wise if you know they're going to almost surely reoffend, so life imprisonment seems to be the only reasonable option. Except if these people compulsively commit serious crimes because of a mental condition, it seems far more reasonable to put them in a mental institution. Society, of course, would have nothing of this though, as they seem to think getting tenderly loved by Bubba and in general horribly abused is going to fix mental issues (it isn't, of course).
Last but most certainly not least is the politicians. The politicians sure as fuck don't care about the victims of these crimes. They just understand the misinformation and flawed thought processes on this subject that are so prevalent in modern society, and exploit them to their benefit. People think MORE HARSHERER LAWS = MORE BETTERER LAWS, and politicians are more than happy to comply and get easy approval in the process. And of course, none of them can go against it and suggest that maybe the current way of doing things is a tad bit flawed, because then that gives their opponent an easy opening to go "other guy thinks baby fuck is awwwwright and hates children"; it'd be political suicide, plain and simple. As for the government as a whole, see above, except replace "easy votes" with "easy restriction of the rights of the general population that they'd never agree to otherwise" (like with terrorism).
tl;dr Pretty much nobody who says "think of the children!" is actually thinking of the children, everyone is just plain doing it wrong, and society as a whole is harmed, but most of all the children themselves that this absurdity is supposed to help.
Also, I suppose that was a tad bit of a digression, but oh well.
Oh no save the virtual people, they are even more helpless than the real children
There is not far the time when police will start investigating virtual character abuse in movies or stories and punish writers for abusing theit virtual characters.
actualy chilg pornography is veru absurd concept, if child is not forced and not abused then you are just forbidding him to enjoy some pleasures and earn money in quite easy way.
I dont think if some 10 year girl makes her naked photos and sells them loses something, she may become very good pornstar later or just some actress.
It's ignorant to think and say: in America it's OK, freedom of speech, etc.
You should read this:
http://splashpage.mtv.com/2008/11/24/neil-gaiman-on-the-obscenity-of-manga-collector-christopher-handleys-trial/
>>14
Maybe it's fine in whatever Eastern European shithole you come from, but in real countries, we generally don't much like fat old guys raping our children, even if they give them a few bucks afterwards. Note that while this may seem like a lot to someone who lives in a country where most cities only have one computer, and that one computer is a C64, around here it is actually very little money.
*Thank you for that mind bobbing chunk of bosh. That concludes today's The Most Apish Comment on the Board.
It was a tight call folks, "Unhrard screams" thread had some pretty super inane bullcheese, but Anonymous here takes the cake.*
>>>14 actualy chilg pornography is veru absurd concept
The only thing absurd here is your logic. Let me now briefly sum up why you are a fucking idiot, only briefly because I've taken part in this same discussion more than enough times.
Children lack the maturity to understand what a sexual act means. Some children are more mature than others, some children are more mature than some adults but generally they are not and the few exceptions do not justify lowering the age of consent.
Involving any person in something serious that they do not understand is exploitation, pure and simple. It is an abuse of trust, among other things.
>she may become very good pornstar later
Oh, well, that's okay then.
Which of the following countries did the women's rights group take over?
>>16
then dont let them rape your children, but do not force poor children to die of starvation if they can make easy money.
maybe better protect them so that clients could not cheat and not pay?
oh sorry this is guro board I know you prefer that children join street gangs and then kill each other and adults.
I agree that is much better. probably we should even give them free guns.
and of course there is nothing bad if child is playing GTA3 killing and violence is absolutely ok for all ages.
>>18 oh yeah you know what sexual act is?
let me tel you, sexual act is no more than saying hello. only some impotent church assholes make it some sacred ritual which is supposed to be taboo and take away pleasure from everyone.
Why the hell you decided that sex is something more than shaking hands with your friend?
is if bad to give ice cream to child, and so what is so bad with sex? if child likes that why not? that could be even great family activity hawing sex with sisters or parents. at least much better than beating each other.
if you some to Africa you can fuck everyone as easy as you are greeting people in USA. of course they area nearly all infected because of that.
but UN assholes are changing that too.
we need new sexual revolution again to throw all crap church enforced morale in the trash bin forever.
and by the way being porn star is way better and more respectable job than being some clerk on supermarket who gets minimal salary.
I'm with you man! We should secede from the western world!
>>22
You are fantastically ignorant, I must give you that.
I take it you're a pedophile, yes?
So am I, but you're delusional.
Kids might be sexually active early on, but that doesn't mean they know what it is and they don't feel it the same way we do either.
I take it you haven't read any psychology either, because you clearly don't know what you're talking about. Please don't talk about stuff you don't know anything about.
>oh sorry this is guro board I know you prefer that children join street gangs and then kill each other and adults.
>I agree that is much better. probably we should even give them free guns.
>and of course there is nothing bad if child is playing GTA3 killing and violence is absolutely ok for all ages.
Your reasoning is absurd. You're talking about real violence and killing on a site for fantasies? I believe the people here would've moved on to Orgrish already if they wanted the real thing.
>is if bad to give ice cream to child, and so what is so bad with sex? if child likes that why not? that could be even great family activity hawing sex with sisters or parents. at least much better than beating each other.
I guarantee you that the child will be damaged one way or another, even if your dick is so small they might somehow like it.
>if you some to Africa you can fuck everyone as easy as you are greeting people in USA.
Lack of authority does make raping easier.
>of course they area nearly all infected because of that.
They say that if you rape a virgin, you can cure yourself from HIV and AIDS. Also, lack of condoms.
And no, I respect clerks way more than porn stars. Thats seriously a degrading job. They are no more than objects.
Listen to >>18. He made some valid points.
While I agree that >>22 is a raving imbecile there are a few things I would like to point out.
Not every pedophile is a child abuser.
Every sexual contact between children and adults isn't necessarily damaging.
Most pedophiles which do engage in sexual contact with children do so in a playful way, much like children experience with their peers.
Children have sexual contact between themselves to ranging extent, and most of their actions are considered normal sexual development.
Sex laws concerning children need revision.
Sexuality in children is severely under-explored, and actual effects of child to adult relations are mostly speculative and based on prejudice.
Society is demonizing pedophiles and is more focused on persecuting them than actually protecting children and their well being.
In conclusion, I am of the opinion that both pedophilia and child sexuality need extensive studies, but due to the taboo nature of both, there are hardly those that are up for it. Any mention of pedophilia is looked down upon, and any attempt even resembling a defensive argument of pedophiles incriminates the one speaking up as a pedophile in disguise, automatically making his entire argument fall on deaf ears. I can't help but feel as if this is a new witch hunt from the dark
>>>22 let me tel you, sexual act is no more than saying hello.
I don't believe you've ever had sex. I'm not even sure you know what sex involves.
>only some impotent church assholes make it some sacred ritual which is supposed to be taboo and take away pleasure from everyone.
The Church never made sex a taboo, most denominations are quite happy for you to have sex as long as it's within marriage and they certainly didn't invent such concepts as personal space.
Do you believe that everyone who doesn't enjoy being touched all over by casual acquaintances is under the influence of religion?
>is if bad to give ice cream to child, and so what is so bad with sex?
Because eating ice cream on your own is not an exposing and intimate experience?
>being porn star is way better and more respectable job than being some clerk on supermarket
I couldn't help but laugh out loud at this. What the hell is wrong with you?
Top that with facts that point out that children also enjoy erotic stimulation, just not to the extent a hormonally mature physiology reacts. I've asked a sexologist on the matter myself anonymously, and this was her reply. There's no telling what sort of trauma would be done to the child - if any - until the child grows up. She also mentioned that there aren't sufficient information regarding this matter.
To be honest, I think society makes much more of a pain out of grownup-child relationships than it is. Though the "victims" might have had a great time, due to the sickly bigot point of view society reflects makes them feel ashamed of the things that happened and feel betrayed, used, crippled and filthy.
I promote the studies of pedophilia, sexual violence and child sexuality too. I always tell that love never hurts - it's always selfishness that puts events on an antisocial course.
I am not talking that everybody must be allowed to rape children or women, but maybe all that goverment and religion assholes should leave people to decide themselves how to live.
do you know that even if 10 year boy will have sex with 10 year girl both are committing big crime and can go to jail? because unhappy parents may claim that their daughter was raped even if she objects that.
>>27 why the hell you think sex have at least little relation to marriage? Who told you that? your church leader?
>>Because eating ice cream on your own is not an exposing and intimate experience?
and why do you think sex is somehow intimate?
prostitutes are doing that routinely without felling any intimacy at all.
it is retarded society which made sex intimate act. when it was never supposed to be that way.
>>I couldn't help but laugh out loud at this. What the hell is wrong with you?
no it is something wrong with you and all that retarded society which enforces everyone to obey that crap laws.
Yes I respect porn stars and even prostitutes more than store clerks and so what.
It is good job which is well paid also. And they have not so bad chances to become well known actors too.
And actually the only reason why sex was made taboo is to force people marry and become breeding machines, so that pope and other goverment assholes had enough warriors for their wars.
of course if you ban free sex there is no much choice except becoming human breeding machine.
What is the UN to tell us what to do? The UN is just a molevolent organization of power hungry tyrant wanna-bes who can't make a shit right. Their human rights book is a joke filled with "ifs" and "buts", useful only for wiping your ass.
And what are the anti-pedophilia laws? The are simply a modern witch hunt, just like the inquisition in the Middle Ages. The pupose of these absurd laws is not to protect children, their sole purpose is to persecute innocent people who happen to enjoy extreme forms of hentai, they don't give a shit about justice, they don't give a shit about the children they pretend to protect and they don't give a shit about the innocent people who gets their lives turned ripped to shreds by these laws.
The actual number of hardcore pedophiles who rape and torture children is very low, but since these organizations need to solve problems to exist they create problems so they can solve them, they take statistics out of their ass and lump people who have simply touched a child in the same place as the lunatic child rapist, remember, it's just a modern hysteric witch hunt.
The UN and the child crusaders have no place no place in a civilized world, they are public menace.
>I am not talking that everybody must be allowed to rape children or women, but maybe all that goverment and religion assholes should leave people to decide themselves how to live.
It's the government's job to get in the way of how people live. Why does the government get in the way of me enjoying myself cutting attractive girls up? If you apply your logic to everything, you get anarchism.
>do you know that even if 10 year boy will have sex with 10 year girl both are committing big crime and can go to jail? because unhappy parents may claim that their daughter was raped even if she objects that.
Depends on where you live.
>why the hell you think sex have at least little relation to marriage? Who told you that? your church leader?
Marriage, like all other aspects of human relations, has plenty to do with sex. Maybe you haven't noticed, but humans are animals like any other. Sure, sex may be fun, but the main point is still and always will be reproduction.
>and why do you think sex is somehow intimate?
>prostitutes are doing that routinely without felling any intimacy at all.
See above. Rampant hedonism is fun and all, but there's more to sex than just that.
>it is retarded society which made sex intimate act. when it was never supposed to be that way.
It was certainly never supposed to be just so everyone can fuck like bunnies for fun and profit either. The only reason sex came into existence at all was because it gave competitive advantages over other forms of reproduction. From that perspective, making it "intimate" is a lot more reasonable than making it just for fun, as having your partner be faithful to you is a good mating strategy. Random senseless fucking left and right between everyone is not so good a strategy, which is probably why it didn't become nearly as popular, and not because society hates you (though it does).
>no it is something wrong with you and all that retarded society which enforces everyone to obey that crap laws.
There's only one raving lunatic here. I think it's obvious who's in the wrong.
>Yes I respect porn stars and even prostitutes more than store clerks and so what.
You're batshit insane, that's what.
>It is good job which is well paid also.
Hahaha, no.
>And they have not so bad chances to become well known actors too.
Around here, we pay people who can actually act to be our actors, not just whores who will read a script for cheap. Prostitutes don't tend to get hired as actors except by people like Uwe Boll. Fucking Uwe Boll.
>And actually the only reason why sex was made taboo is to force people marry and become breeding machines, so that pope and other goverment assholes had enough warriors for their wars.
Holy fuck, he's discovered the millenia-old breeder conspiracy! Someone stop him before he reveals the truth to everyone!
>of course if you ban free sex there is no much choice except becoming human breeding machine.
This may be a shocking idea for you, but there is more to life than sex. Inability to fuck whoever you want whenever you want does not make everyone just "human breeding machines".
I could reply to this post seriously but I think the effort would be wasted, so instead I'm just going to dot on the funniest points.
>>>29 It is good job which is well paid also.
No, bro. It's not. Prostitution does not pay well.
>And they have not so bad chances to become well known actors too.
I'm sure there have been many a famous actor who has used prostitution to springboard their career. Care to name a few?
>so that pope and other goverment assholes had enough warriors for their wars.
ROW ROW, FIGHT THE POWAH.
>>33
huh, prostitution not paid well?
you probably dont earn as much i whole year that high class prostitute gets in one day.
>>I'm sure there have been many a famous actor who has used prostitution to springboard their career. Care to name a few?
Not prostitutes , but porn stars become real actors.
finaly I think there is some misunderstanding. I do not suggest everyoe to starts fucking everything that movesa and what not around.
it it is not some goverment business to manage how and when people must fuck.
by the way if anyone still doubts about how retarded is this society, just read this
http://www.journalism.sfsu.edu/flux/gSpot/sexLaw.html
""" In Kingsville, Texas there is a law against two pigs having sex on Kingsville airport property. """
and lots of other simmilar stuff.
to say more it is even possible to USE these laws in court.
>you probably dont earn as much i whole year that high class prostitute gets in one day.
First, even "high class" prostitutes don't get paid that much. Second, the "high class" prostitutes are an insignificant minority. They are about as representative of prostitutes in general as Bill Gates is representative of programmers in general.
>Not prostitutes , but porn stars become real actors.
See above.
>finaly I think there is some misunderstanding. I do not suggest everyoe to starts fucking everything that movesa and what not around.
Well not everything, but at least everything that's not yet hit puberty.
>by the way if anyone still doubts about how retarded is this society, just read this
There's plenty of stupid laws on the book that nobody enforces but haven't been removed yet. What's your fucking point? And that article is only about America, too.
Also, it says FUCKING KIDS IS BAD.
Ok lets get this shit straight. Prostitution is a shitty job. An average prostitue earns more than the average person. The difference is they usually piss it off on drugs or their pimps take most of it.
A porn actress cannot become a notable cinema actress. "Respect" is not the word you're looking for when you're discussing both porn actresses and fucking store clerks.
Society is run by the majority, and the majority is a fucking dick. Laws are pretty stupid and ridiculous but without them I would be two floors above right now, fucking my neighbour in the eye socket. And we don't want that either so shut up and bear with it. They'll change one day, maybe, but I doubt they're ever going to move in direction of leaving you alone to fuck whoever you want however you want.
Screw the UN and those shity feminists!
"Children lack the maturity to understand what a sexual act means"
Just what does a sexual act mean? Seriously... I don't have a fucking clue besides the obvious pregnancy and parental responsibility.
Does anybody actually know? It just comes off like one of those arbitrary taboos that nobody understands but they'll kill you over it. I mean, muslims trying to blow the fuck out of the infidels go to greater lengths to explain what the evil they're attacking is.
... Somebody tell me here. The more i think about it the less i see.
Hey,calm down.
Weren't we looking at guro now?
Well,maybe we could create consensual guro or consensual tentacle hentai,which will be fun.Ha ha ha ha...
There indeed are consensual tentacle hentai out there.
Never saw consensual guro though.
Nec-romantic has a girl who enjoys being cut up by her boyfirend so that's consensual guro. There's also that "Yes! Degrade me more!" bit in Death Panda where the girl gets off on having her insides ripped out by her sister. And I'm sure there's a story in Hell Season where a girl rips her own injuries open so she can go on seeing the doctor who eventually kills her.
But really now, do you think the people who ban guro will care?
To quote fr0stbyte from JAVTalk:
There are also US feminist groups that urge Japanese companies to stop selling ero-game titles that depict "violence against women" acts. Next thing you know they be writing letters to Japanese porn studios. What a bunch of hypocritical whores.. Talk about NOT minding your own fucking business. They should just mind matters within their own borders. If US companies stop making shooting and GTA-like games then I'd reconsider. But that's not gonna happen. Killing people in games IS SO MUCH BETTER than raping women in games. Right..
>>48
I bet you at least one of those "feminists" is a secret gurofag.
Also, as a girl myself, "violent" porn is awwwwright.
>>48
We North Americans must declare independence from the UN and the Neo-Fascist Europe!
Because all we need to do is to make Killing people in games and raping women in games both acceptable in our society which gives us the freedom to start over. There would be no Religious Nutcases,Feminists,Bureaucrats,and Political Correctness ever force us to think what they think and say what they say.
>>43
I've heard there was a german vorephile who agreed with a chick to eat her. The problem was that the cunt changed her mind halfway, where there was no turning back. :D
There will always be nosy people. It's why gossip magazines are able to stay in business.
I doubt seriously that there would be anything from this. Consider that Australia has even put sanctions against Japan for continuing to whale in Aussie waters, and still buying whale ambergis / meat from the poachers.
Japan won't care that the USA / UN don't like it - any more than they'd be able to enforce the cessation of them. And if the Japanese stop making them, the Chinese will pick it up. Any avenue for money is liable to be exploited there.
Think the Chinese respect for US copyrights and patents...
Not quite. The only famous 'cannibal case' was where a guy was dead before he was eaten. Cannibalism is legal under German law... but there was dispute over whether the victim had died of natural causes, versus being booted from life early because the cannibal was impatient.
As far as I know, and this is not my area of expertise, cannibalism is legal in a lot of countries as long as the victim is still alive (otherwise you might still get into trouble for violation of a grave) and the victim was OK with removing the parts of their body youre about to cosume. So...if someone came up to me on the street handing me their arm and appearing to not have any major psychological deficiencies (other than handing me their arm) I think id be good to eat it :)
really for as long as only some countries agree on wether to ban/censor guro or not and the internet stays this unregulated i tend to find politicians even debating this fairly ridiculous.
man thats fucking bullshit
