http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manhunt_2
In a nutshell, this game has super-graphic violence (including ripping a man's dick off), got an AO rating from ESRB, and Sony and Nintendo are not allowing it to come out on the PS2, PSP, and Wii. It's also banned from sale in the UK and Ireland.
What does Gurochan think?
Can I kill bitches in it?
Old news.
But, besides that I am kind of excited about the PSP version, getting to take it with me anywhere I go.
The first one was awesome, and scary at the same time.
Considering noone, I assume, has viewed the game or played it (apart from the trailer) how can any of us judge or share opinions about it?
If talking about generalities, and the AO rating, I personally think its all bollocks. By having the rating, sure they'll risk sales from all the mainstream stores. But, if they cut down any part of the game, it'll be incomplete. For those of us who are adults and are capable/mature enough to handle the more... extreme kills, well, who would want to play a game that has been watered down?
DAMNED AT LEAST SOMEONE WHOS UNDERSTANDING MEE!!!
I DO TOTALY AGREE TO YOURE OPPINION...
I mean nobody forces these pussy who disagree with violence in computer games to play them...
People who can't take video game violence need to get off my planet, FUCK YOU JACKIE THOMPSON.
In a thread about this game and AO Rating on another forum I frequent, here's something I just know we'll all enjoy. Apparently its a quote from the wiki article on AO ratings.
Critics have claimed that the ESRB will only rate games AO if they have sexual content in them, regardless of how much violence is present. ***Twenty three products have been given the AO rating. One was given it for unsimulated online gambling.*** The rest were given it for sexual content and/or nudity. One of the games with "Strong Sexual Content" as a content descriptor also had "Realistic Blood & Gore", Riana Rouge, and another one had "Violence", Critical Point. Critical Point is an eroge, and Riana Rouge has Playboy Playmates in softcore sex scenes which leads some critics to believe that these games were rated AO because of sex, not violence.
***Also, Fahrenheit: Indigo Prophecy Director's Cut received the AO rating. While the game contains content identical to the original North American version titled Indigo Prophecy ("Blood", "Strong Language", "Use of Drugs and Alcohol" and "Violence"), the only content which was added in the director's cut version was sex scenes with nudity, one of which was interactive.*** Lula 3D also contains descriptors for "Blood", "Strong Language" and "Violence" however, it also contains sexually explicit material. Much like Fahrenheit, Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas received an AO rating because interactive sex scenes were found within the game.
Some critics believed that the ESRB in-house personnel may have overreacted to the attention the game received from the federal government and that the mini-game (which contained no nudity) was not explicit enough to have been re-rated. It should be noted that many adult oriented products, including erotica have actually received M ratings. However, these products are not carried by major retailers (and many are usually grouped with adult products anyway) because of the sexual content.
Oh, and no matter what happens, the game will have to be watered down. Even more quoted from the forum I frequent (topic in particular found here: http://forums.thesmartmarks.com/index.php?showtopic=86779 )
Nintendo's policy. http://www.xbox.com/en-US/community/personality/xboxdad/20061031-whatsappropriate.htm
"Adults Only: This rating means what it says: The program or game is only for adults, meaning ages 18 and older. This is pretty straightforward. A game receives this rating if there are prolonged scenes of extremely graphic violence and/or sexual content. It is company policy that there are no AO games for Xbox® or Xbox 360."
Sony says the same thing. http://www.gamespot.com/news/6172830.html
"It's currently our policy not to allow the playback of AO-rated content on our systems," a Sony spokesperson told GameSpot.
Okay, I swear I'll stop posting in this thread. No idea 'bout the source for this, but it was in the forum (see above for link)
"The ultra-violent videogame Manhunt 2 allows you to ***rape a woman shortly after you beheaded her in the brothel level called Honey Pot***. Members of the ESRB were shocked when Daniel Lamb used his male reproduction organ and simulated a penetration in the bloody hole. Other gruesome parts include microwaving a living cat to death and being a witness of necrophilia in a cemetery in one of the later stage of the game."
Hands up, who thinks the creators are guro fans?
Speaking of the creators, a quote from them. Source: ign.com.
""We respect those who have different opinions about the horror genre and video games as a whole, but we hope they will also consider the opinions of the adult gamers for whom this product is intended. We believe all products should be rated to allow the public to make informed choices about the media and art they wish to consume. The stories in modern video games are as diverse as the stories in books, film and television. The adult consumers who would play this game fully understand that it is fictional interactive entertainment and nothing more."
I love the hypocrisy of any ratings board. Kill as many people as you want with guns and explosives and whatnot (see: Any Shooter Game Ever Released) but if there's one iota of sexual bits, oooh its evil, protect the kids, oh noes!! Also. Games with an M rating are meant for 17+ while AO are 18+. Clearly, that one year makes all the difference.
So you really can rape women in this game?
Face it guys, the only way this game will ever come out is if they love us enough to port it to PC and leak it on the torrent sites.
The feminists would never let this game run the streets, stupid whores.
I'm a feminist, and I want Manhunt 2 to be released.
Your comment makes me want to rip some cocks off.
Bullshit, no feminist would support a game that allows men to rape women, plus there is no such thing as a woman on the internet.
Unfortunately the term feminism has been used to cover a LOT of different agendas. Let's not get bogged down in semantics. Nevertheless, >>11 claims to be a feminist and wants Manhunt 2 to be released; we have no reason to doubt either claim. And, >>12, you simply reveal your ignorance when you assume that any feminist must be female.
What was Rockstar games thinking when they were making this game?
Could that really be that stupid to believe that this game would ever see the day of light?
Also considering all of the controversy surrounding Grand Theft Auto San Andreas.
Dumbasses.
I never said that you have to be female to be a feminist, I was speaking personally to 11.
"plus there is no such thing as a woman on the internet."
-points to self- Well, that's funny. Since it was a female who posted all that info. Believe what you want; you will anyway.
I could say some things regarding feminism and my opinions on it, but I won't. Not the thread for it.
I LOL'd. If these descriptions are true then this whole thing is nothing but a cleverly thought out MARKETING PLOY. Take2 are a lot of things but they aren't idiots and they aren't new to making and releasing games. They knew and counted on the bans and the censorship, that's why they threw in these ridiculously over the top scenes. They knew this would create a ton of press and be the best advertising imaginable. In the end they will remove the wound-fucking and necrophilia (both of which I am sure are totally superfluous to the actual story) and the game will come out and make a killing, financially.
You're right, it makes me feel bad to be a gamer, being used like that.
The say they make games for adults so why should anyone be concerned about an "AO" rating? or is it the lil kiddies here who still need mommy's allowance to buy video games and aren't old enough to purchase this game themselves?
If you'd been paying any attention, you'd understand that the reason why an AO rating is a big deal is because basically every console manufacturer categorically refuses to release a game with an AO rating; so, this is basically death until these issues can be addressed. Now, a more important question would be WHY does an AO rating carry such weight? Personally I would like to see that entire rating classification abolished, as it has no legitimate applications IMO
The classification is OK in my opinion, just like how I approve of an NC-17 rating for movies in theory. The problem is that neither the NC-17 nor the AO achieve what they were originally created for. The rating should have only one effect - that the game can't be sold or rented out to anyone under 18, period. Instead, these ratings come with a truckload of side effects, like entire chains (most of which are owned by hardcore religious nutjobs) refusing to carry it, newpapers refusing to carry ads for it and basically everyone acting as if it's contagious. So why have the rating at all if nobody ever could release anything that gets slapped with it?
Well, I was also recently reading an article that was observing how odd it was that NC-17 was the only instance of a rating not merely advising but having the force of law behind it, and questioning how appropriate that was; it went on to further theorize that by merely existing it robbed the other ratings of power, and furthermore that it was rarely actually implemented because of the fact that it could basically murder an otherwise successful movie. AO has many of the same effects, even if it doesn't have the force of law behind it, and the fact that the actual recommended age is a trivial one year difference behind MA makes it seem entirely trivial and extraneous.
Another article about the rating. And this one just sickens me.
NIMF: Manhunt 2 Delay is Victory
"The ESRB has sent a strong message" to the industry.
by Daemon Hatfield
June 22, 2007 - Media watchdog the National Institute on Media and the Family (NIMF) has issued a statement in response to the news that Take-Two has suspended the release of the ultra-violent Manhunt 2. It's been a stormy week for the sequel to 2003's Manhunt, with the title being banned in the UK and receiving an "AO" rating from the Entertainment Software Ratings Board (ESRB). An AO rating basically means a game cannot be sold or manufactured in its current form. NIMF appears to be quite happy with the news.
"Take-Two's decision to temporarily suspend distribution of Manhunt 2 is a victory for parents and children," the statement reads. "Because of the their thoughtful decision to give Manhunt 2 its strongest rating, 'Adults Only,' the ESRB has sent a strong message to Take-Two and other game makers that they no longer can push the envelope on gratuitous violence in videogames. The ESRB showed real leadership in assigning this rating and further evidence it is making significant progress in keeping extremely violent and graphic materials out of children's hands."
NIMF is apparently keeping a close eye on other upcoming games that could prove controversial.
"Hopefully Take-Two has learned from its Manhunt 2 experience and will undertake preventive measures to ensure its future games, including Grand Theft Auto IV, are appropriate for families and gamers."
Even though it is the organization's mission to inform consumers as to the content in videogames, NIMF seems a little misinformed as it refers to Manhunt 2 as a "first-player shooter." The title is a third-person action game.
"As gaming technology continues to change, we hope to continue to work with the ESRB to ensure that future games have appropriate content and context for children. The uniqueness of Nintendo's Wii gives game raters a new challenge when it comes to first-player shooter games. We take the ESRB's decision about Manhunt 2 as a positive step in addressing this new challenge."
NIMF confirmed to IGN that the organization has not played the game, and it is basing its decision that the title is unfit for release on the same trailers we have all seen (which don't show any gameplay that is more violent than numerous past games). What is particularly alarming to the Institute is the Wii control which allows players to act out the gruesome killings with the Wiimote.
...Yeah. Let's make sure all adult games are appropriate for children. The idea is so ludicrous.
All right! Manhunt 2 thread!
Anyway, I highly doubt that the whole necrophilia scene would be kept in the game. According to the latest articles I've read, Daniel Lamb is a pretty mellow guy for the most part. He doesn't WANT to go on a gory, murderous rampage throughout a mental asylum, but that's just the way his cookie crumbles. Seriously, though, he apparently even vomits after his first kill, so I don't think he'd be making the jump to rape and necrophilia so soon.
Oh, deja vu. But anyway, I eagerly await the release of this game in any and all forms. Natch, I will torrent myself a copy of the director's cut, cut content mod, etc. whenever it comes out. And if it happens to catch itself an AO rating...well, I can swing that anyway, it will just be a pain getting it. I mean, nearly every chain game store has a no-AO policy, which is stupid, because they wouldn't need that policy if the idiots behind the counter would check people's IDs like they're supposed to. It's as though it's the developers' fault that parents are stupid enough to buy Bloodrayne for their ten-year-old, it's just...agh, rant.
Can't wait for the game, though.
I need to grab a bunch of AO stickers and start sticking them anywhere Adults Only should be permitted. First off the nearest church, then the nearest army recruiting office.
has anybody been able to get their hands on the uncensored version? I am currently trying to figure out how to hax my ps2 to play it off usb, after finishing my dl off bittorrent.
In September 2007, an uncensored PAL PS2 copy of the game was leaked onto the internet, [45] by an employee of Sony Computer Entertainment Europe, who was later fired.[46]
dling this nao
What is even more frustrating about the rating system is how absolutely ludicrous it is. "Mature" games have the age restriction of 17. "Adult Only" games are 18+. Wow. That one year must really make such a difference. eyeroll
Female tourists must be careful not to taunt the /b/tard in his natural habitat. Eye contact is to be avoided at all times as a fully fledged nigra is extremely aggressive when presented with a possible threat. Gifts of food and or sex are acceptable to building a trusting relationship.
Sometimes, people really make my head hurt. I know I'm preaching to the choir here, but I'll make a post anyway.
"The ESRB showed real leadership in assigning this rating and further evidence it is making significant progress in keeping extremely violent and graphic materials out of children's hands."
The AO rating would be perfectly fine if that's all it did -- keep adult games out of the hands of children -- but as >>21 already explained, an AO rating effectly prevents ANYONE from getting their hands on the game. Although this might please people who have a personal vendetta against violence in video games, this is NOT what the AO rating is supposed to accomplish.
Additionally, as >>9, >>23, and >>30 pointed out, the audience to which a game is supposedly restricted by the rating of "Mature" barely differs from that of "Adults Only," which only underscores the sleazy way in which the AO rating is being used by those who find a particular game offensive to prevent that game from being sold to anyone, anywhere, ever.
"Hopefully Take-Two has learned from its Manhunt 2 experience and will undertake preventive measures to ensure its future games, including Grand Theft Auto IV, are appropriate for families and gamers."
No. Just...no. That's like asking a porn production company to create porn "for the whole family." Actually, that isn't the author's real message, even though that's how they formed their words. The real message is this: whoever wrote the words in that quotation above doesn't want games like Manhunt 2 that are fun for the whole family. They simply don't want games like Manhunt 2. Ever. They don't think that such material should be created in the first place, and they want to force everyone else to conform with their belief. That's sickeningly wrong.
In sum, the author sucks cocks.
